GreenTongue
 member, 917 posts
 Game Archaeologist
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 12:52
On fair-weather friends
I have been lucky I guess. The gaming store I go to has a sign-up sheet for "pods" (group of 4) and anyone can signup. This really helps getting people to play with.

I'm in my 60's and often not the first choice for others to play with but over time I have played with a lot of the regulars. Now, I usually don't have a problem finding people to play with there.
I have found that once you become a "known quantity" you become accepted.

Outside of the store they may not want to hang out with me but that's fine. When I was younger it was a lot easier but this is a common problem.
From what I read, it is a serious problem with older people. Their skill at meeting people has atrophied and they become isolated and depressed.

Gotta get out and get exposure.
There should be more places for older people but if nobody makes them, they will not come.

Online is a substitute but not the same as live.
CrazyIvan777
 member, 287 posts
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 20:42
Re: On fair-weather friends
GreenTongue:
From what I read, it is a serious problem with older people. Their skill at meeting people has atrophied and they become isolated and depressed.

Gotta get out and get exposure.
There should be more places for older people but if nobody makes them, they will not come.

Online is a substitute but not the same as live.


Very true. Very true. And I'm slowly coming to realize that, while I want the companionship I had before, it's not realistic to get that again. Instead, I have to start to rebuild. But what you said about atrophied social energies, that's... really the case.

So I've decided to just say 'yes' to anything people are doing. I hear about a book club? I'm in. A playtest of a LARP? Yep. On my schedule. Movie outing? Ye.... wait, I have something else scheduled that day.
But yeah. I need to get out there. And I'm doing it as much as I can.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 228 posts
Wed 25 Mar 2020
at 22:55
Shelter-in-place orders.
So the counties around mine have issued Shelter in Place orders. This is not a rant about being under one of those.

As a courtesy, the local news put out a video listing what you can and can't do, under the order.

On the list of things you CAN do? Play Golf.

Play. <profanities go here>. Golf. And specifically Golf. Not any other sport. Just Golf.

WHY UNDER THE SUN IS THAT ALLOWED? /headdesk
ShadoPrism
 member, 1304 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 00:08
Shelter-in-place orders.
In reply to SunRuanEr (msg # 1549):

cause it is really built in to the game to have social distancing. individual or small groups, very far apart.
Imladir
 member, 25 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 00:16
Shelter-in-place orders.
More like the people making those decisions don't want to have their lose their golf games. Pch, what kind of monster are you to want to deny them that?
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 232 posts
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 22:12
Argh
In continued quarantine-related rants:

Dear school system -

Why on earth would you give out packets of papers to do offline, for kids that don't have internet access, and then inform the parents (at the end of the week) that you expected the kids to email in/upload their work each day by 4pm to get a grade? What part of 'for kids that don't have internet access' made it seem like requiring them to upload it daily was a reasonable requirement?

/headdesk
ShadoPrism
 member, 1306 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 22:41
Argh
In reply to SunRuanEr (msg # 1552):

The went so far as to put school busses with wi fi amplifiers in certain areas. Never even considering how pointless that is for families that don't have a computer, cause they think EVERYONE has a computer or access to a computer.
Problem is the places that these sorts could normally access a computer, those places are closed because of the virus.
Thus showing the stupidity in action.
DaCuseFrog
 member, 90 posts
 SW Florida
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 01:35
Re: Argh
SunRuanEr:
Why on earth would you give out packets of papers to do offline, for kids that don't have internet access, and then inform the parents (at the end of the week) that you expected the kids to email in/upload their work each day by 4pm to get a grade?


I'll do you one better.  The school system in my area gave us websites of places to go so we could download and print the work to do offline.  So no internet, no computer, no printer... wow, three for three (obviously not talking about myself here, but we are one of the poorest counties in our state).  What's an email address?  And public libraries are closed to the public for at least a month (though they are offering curbside service for hold requests, which is actually pretty smart - at least someone is).
praguepride
 member, 1587 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 04:44
Re: Argh
After everything that has happened I know of a trained medical professional who is still dismissing COVID as just "the flu".

Like sure...if you ignore that it is twice as infectious, twenty times as deadly and there is no established vaccine or treatment protocol and even just the testing protocols are spotty...then yes. Just like the flu...
tibiotarsus
 member, 139 posts
 Hopepunk with a shovel
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 12:14
Re: Argh
Whilst commonplace usage of "flu" to mean "bad cold" makes that really awful, the current plague has a mortality of about a third the rate of actual influenza across the entire population, and a tenth that of virulent strains like the Spanish Flu; I think the statistic you have is specific to individuals of 60+, who don't often die of normal flu, but are dying relatively often of this thing because we don't have an effective treatment yet.

Your medical acquaintance needs a slap, though, for sure. They do not sound competent and are clearly causing people fear and alarm, which makes them do dumb things like cram themselves into shops to hoard stuff and spread viruses faster than hospitals can cope.
praguepride
 member, 1588 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 00:51
Re: Argh
Twice as infectious and twenty times as deadly. While younger people are not dying at the same rates they are still being hospitalized and taxing the system.

Looking at NYC numbers, 10% of people 0-44 get hospitalized and 20% of people 45-64 identified are hospitalized.

Now granted those numbers are biased because it's only people with serious symptoms getting tested but that hospitalization rate is what is really concerning. Yes it isn't as fatal as 1918 flu but we also have a LOT better medicine now. Looking at what is happening in Italy when their medical system gets taxed makes you realize this could be as bad as 1918 but we have a 100+ years of medical knowledge and tech under our belts.
Brianna
 member, 2214 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 08:47
Re: Argh
Remember that any numbers you see only include the people who actually get tested, aka at best usually only those who present severe symptoms, and in time to seek help.  I wish stats by country also showed the total population of the country, and percentage of that population that are getting tested, besides whether that country has any shortage of tests, as so many of them do.
Imladir
 member, 27 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 13:17
Re: Argh
There isn't all of it obviously, but the most complete stats (as far as I know anyway) can be found here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Isida KepTukari
 member, 350 posts
 Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Wed 24 Jun 2020
at 01:32
Re: Argh
Look, you can't have it both ways, boss.

I'm a shift supervisor at work, but I'm basically just a regular employee with a pay bump for taking some administrative tasks off of the salaried supervisor's plates.  Said supervisor (called a team coach) has been hounding me for a few weeks about a relatively new employee to our group, saying that he wants her working independently of her trainer as soon as possible.

I'd be delighted to do so, but our training was shot all to heck during the initial pandemic panic (training was suspended for several weeks), then we were all furloughed for three weeks, then they wouldn't let us train for another two weeks.  Now that training has resumed, but due to availability of material to run, we haven't been working on the same machine for more than three days in a row.

It takes a week or more to train someone on a position on these machines, because even if the job is very similar, the machines were built at different times and thus have have different controls, different specs, and different quirks.  Spending two days at one machine, and then two days at another doesn't suddenly mean our trainee is ready to go solo on either!

On top of that, because our trainee has the lowest seniority, she keeps getting pulled from our work group to go do jobs in other groups she was in previously if those groups have higher priority.

Golly gee, team coach, I can't imagine why our trainee can't manage to sign off on any one job if she can't work on the same machine more than three days in a row once every two weeks!
OceanLake
 supporter, 1120 posts
Wed 24 Jun 2020
at 02:52
Re: Argh
Write down the trainee's work schedule for the past X weeks showing which task s/he did. Keep it current. Show it to shift supervisor at need. Mention, it true, that trainee is standing up well to all this moving around.
Isida KepTukari
 member, 351 posts
 Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Wed 24 Jun 2020
at 04:52
Re: Argh
We've got our training recorded in the system, but the team coach thinks because he used to work on the floor 30 years ago that he knows everything about training and running the machines, etc, despite the fact that our products and industry standards have changed drastically in three decades. *le sigh*
Harley Quinn
 member, 28 posts
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 01:11
Re: Argh
You know how when you go to delete a game here you have to check off ďI have given all my players due notice.ď?

There is a certain GM (I wonít publicly shame him) on this site that just deletes without any notification. Didnít post a message about it, didnít PM, didnít rmail, nothing.
acera
 member, 156 posts
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 01:43
Re: Argh
Iím sorry thatís been your experience. We donít donít do public shaming here regardless.
Brosuke
 member, 331 posts
 New Petitions Against Tax
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 10:09
Re: Argh
In reply to Harley Quinn (msg # 1563):

That's rough, I hate it when that happens. If I know a game is ending, I want to be able to say my goodbyes and maybe make plans with the other players to move to a different game.

At least you can still rMail the other players from the cast list, although I don't think there's a way to get in touch with them as a group rather than individually.
praguepride
 member, 1654 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 04:53
Re: Argh
NOTE: While this is ABOUT politics I will not be talking ABOUT politics

So I think I just lost a group of friends I've had for nearly 30 years. We have been on the opposite sides of the political spectrum but it rarely was an issue for us because we would just talk about other things. Given the state of the world however it has been harder and harder and despite several arguments in the past and everyone agreeing to keep politics out of the discord several of them have continued to post inflammatory things and then get upset when I disagreed and critiqued their posted blogs/videos/whatever. I try to be respectful but I also don't believe in staying silent as for me, silence is acceptance. If you post X and I stay silent, it's implied that at least have a neutral opinion about it.

The problem is that I LOVE good political discourse. I chat with other friends all the time about politics and in fact I have several friends with advanced degrees in economics and political science so it's all just a big intellectual thought exercise to me. I believe the things that I believe and will say so but I hold no expectations that I will ever get to execute those beliefs on any scale beyond the voting booth.

That being said I also think that if you post something political, you should expect to get challenged on it and be respectful of contrary views. There are political views I hold in very low esteem but I try to treat the speaker with respect. I believe that all my friends are, fundamentally, good people and we are all just computing machines so they have received a different set of inputs than I. If I had lived their life I would probably believe the same things they do.

My goal isn't to convert or preach but just to have a fun discussion, or at least a thoughtful one. I love it when people point out flaws in my ideas and I try to return the favor.

The problem though is that they repeatedly post...less reputable sources that are difficult to talk about without bringing it up. I typically post works by well-respected scholars IN THEIR FIELD OF STUDY while they usually respond with random youtubers or blogs with questionable sources, or if there is an advanced degree than in something other than the topic at hand. For example, if you have a PhD in Chemistry, great you're a smart dude, but that doesn't mean you're automatically an expert on theoretical economic systems or the use of political currency in an system of power. Now they might be right but their opinion is not an expert one. If I post information by several leading world renowned economists and they post a blog about economic theory from a psychologist you is basically just a professional streamer, those are not equally weighted opinions.

Anyway so they would post a video and I would critique it. Point out that the author has strong financial ties, demonstrates logical fallacies or their non-expert opinions run contrary to a lot of expert research and consensus and they would get mad about it. We would fight, things would cool off, apologies all around and we would swear off politics.

And then THEY would post again. THEY would be the ones to violate the cease fire but when I would respond, I'm the bad guy. I'm the one bringing politics into things. Now I admit it is my fault for taking the bait but I do think it is unfair that I am being blamed for REACTING to what they are SAYING.

Anyway I critiqued one of their sources because the author was attacking political group X by completely mischaracterizing it. I argued against it and they said "Well what do you know?" and I said "Well I identify as group X. I think they are right." and they LOST. THEIR. SHIT.

Calling me evil. Saying I hate my country. Saying that this means I want them dead. On and on and on. I kept saying "No, that isn't what I believe" but it was like talking to a brick wall. All of them just started ganging up on me attacking me with some strawman of my beliefs. They showed ZERO interest in actually letting me explain further but were just focusing on this propoganda strawman they had built up. It was all ad hominems too. I wasn't the person they thought I was. I was a dirty rotten <expletive> for even saying that.

So I tried reaching out to individual people and some of them actually gave me a chance to speak. Within 5 minutes of me clarifying that political group X is not a boogeyman but is very simply this this and this, they were like "ohhh, okay." and it was fine. But some of them weren't. They just dug their heels in and their logic was "X is evil. I believe in X. Therefore I am evil." I told them REPEATEDLY that I didn't actually believe in the things they said I did but they wouldn't budge.

They called me ignorant and naive, saying I didn't know what I was talking about. It took everything in me not to respond "I LEARNED THIS DIRECTLY FROM SOMEONE WHO THIS WAS THEIR PHD DOCTORAL THESIS. YOU LEARNED THIS FROM A WORLD RENOWNED CONSPIRACY THEORIST." but it was too late. Because they had been primed, PRIMED to respond with absolute revulsion at a single word they immediately shut down all discourse. Their minds were shielded, absolutely bulletproof when I tried to point them and show them that what they thought X was, wasn't true.

Finally the ones that wouldn't listen just told me to leave them alone. They had the AUDACITY to call me disloyal and a bad friend even though I was soaking up horrible horrible things from them and all I was asking was a 5 minute conversation to explain myself where they would listen. Again things I wanted to say to them but couldn't was "YOU'RE THE ONE CRAPPING ON OUR FRIENDSHIP BECAUSE YOU WON'T LISTEN. YOU'RE THE ONE WALKING AWAY, NOT ME!! DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME A BAD FRIEND OF DISLOYAL."

/sigh. I just...it sickens me. Not that they have their beliefs and they are different than mine. That's fine. That's normal. No ideology has all the answers and if you approach it with an open mind and deep research you'll find that it can be a little like a buffet. I'll take a little of this economic policy, a scoop of that social policy, a side of this legal framework. One size does not fit all.

But to be so close minded. To be so willing to trash almost THIRTY YEARS of friendship over a label? If it were me I would at least say "Well, we've been friends for 30 years. Help me understand your positon." But nope. One word. One label is all it takes to make them think that I am going to break down their doors and drag them into the street. That isn't even hyperbole. They BOTH told me that's what I was going to do to them because I believed in X.

So that stings, that after all this time I don't get any shred of credibility. That some random youtuber carries more weight in telling me what I believe in then I do. Then on top of that you're going to insult me to? Tell me I'M BEING THE BAD FRIEND? I AM THE ONE BEING IGNORANT?

Please. I've got like 30 Nobel Prize winners in my camp. You've got anonymous web trolls. And I'm the one that is being naive.

UGGGGHH.....
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 291 posts
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 13:36
Re: Argh
I'm sorry that was your experience, prague. That sucks.

Sometimes, with friends, the most shocking thing with politics is when you didn't realize that your friend was part of Politic Group Whatever You Don't Like, and then find it out at a later date. Now, you'd think that most people would be able to (it seems in this day and age) pretty reliably guesstimate where people stand, but sometimes they can't. Sometimes they're willfully ignorant. Sometimes, they convince themselves otherwise, and when informed in no uncertain terms that they were wrong - they lose it.

I'm not saying that makes it right to treat you the way they did, because that's just plain wrong, but maybe I can understand the being upset. Once upon a time, I had a group of close friends - good friends, people who hung out with me on my birthdays, babysat my kids, those folks that you talk to every day about every thing. We shared similar hobbies, similar lifestyles, and I thought, similar ideals...and then I found out, practically en masse, that all - ALL - of them were part of a group that I consider myself diametrically opposed to. It was a shock. Like being punched in the gut. And while we had no large falling out (thank goodness), the truth was - I could never look at them the same way again. Because I *hadn't* seen it for so long, once I knew, it was all I *could* see.

Some people react badly to that, because it makes them feel foolish, or stupid, so they lash out.

This message was last edited by the user at 13:38, Sat 11 July.

belovedshadows
 member, 98 posts
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 13:50
Re: Argh
Okay but 2020, is just getting stranger and stranger. Locally we had a naked lady running around and biting people. Who has zombie apocalypse for July ?
Jarodemo
 member, 848 posts
 My hovercraft
 is full of eels
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 15:22
Re: Argh
In reply to belovedshadows (msg # 1568):

Iím just waiting for the 2020 boss level. Going to be freakiní awesome!!!
praguepride
 member, 1655 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 16:00
Re: Argh
Aliens were scheduled for August. I donít know if that has changed. Tough to keep track with nonstop rewrites.
ShadoPrism
 member, 1323 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Sat 11 Jul 2020
at 17:37
Re: Argh
In reply to praguepride (msg # 1570):

Local Aliens or Extra Terrestrial Aliens ?
Locals can include supernatural types, just to be clear.